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Përgjigje Pseudo-historianit italian Vittorio Sgarbi përsa i përket etnicitetit të qytetit antik Ilir Bylis dhe të vet Bylinjëve në përgjithësi.

Meqë ky pseudo-historian arrogant e injorant i ashpër është tepër këmbë-ngulës në ato që deklaron, dhe pretendon se ka të drejt dhe kur është plotësisht gabim, atëherë është radha jonë si komb për të reaguar dhe për t'i treguar këtij pseudo-historiani se ne jemi Shqiptar dhe jemi këtu, dhe nuk do të lejojmë askënd që të deformoj të vërtetat historike që kanë të bëjnë me historinë, identitetin dhe trashëgiminë e kombit tonë,  meqë ju z. Sgarbi e keni pasion historinë, atëherë më lejoni t'ju drejtohem me disa pyetje përsa i përket etnicitetit të vërtet të Qytetit antik Bylis dhe të vet Bylinjëve:

1. Stefan Bizantini e përmend Bylisin si një qytet bregdetar në Iliri, dhe legjendën e tij të themelimit, sipas të cilit qyteti u ndërtua nga Mirmidonët nën drejtimit e Pirro Neoptolemit, djali të Akilit, pasi ishte kthyer nga Lufta e Trojës, një traditë e konfirmuar nga numizmatika. Çfarë etniciteti kishin Mirmidonët, Pirro Neoptolemi dhe i ati i tij Akili?

2. Çfarë etniciteti kishin Bylinjtë Kaonas? Dhe nëse ata ishin Grek, atëherë mbi cilat fakte dhe argumenta bazoheni ju që ata ishin të tillë?

3. Cila ishte bërthama e parë në Epir, e sidomos në Kaoni, pjesë e së cilës ishin dhe Bylinjtë?

4. Çfarë statusi kishte Gruaja në Botën antike Ilire dhe atë Greke, dhe në cilin krah bënin pjesë Bylinjtë Kaonas?

5. Çdo të thotë termi "Bylis" e "Bylin" në gjuhën Greke?

6. Në mitologji, Kaoni prezantohet si Hero Trojan, si vllai i Helenit djalit të Mbretit të Trojës Priam, të cilët i përkisnin trungut Dardan, pasardhës të Dardanit, themeluesit të qytetit të Trojës sipas mitologjisë, një emër i ngjashëm me emrin e fisit të madh Ilir të Dardanëve, dhe tani lind pyetja: Duke qenë se Kaoni sipas mitologjisë ishte Hero Trojan, vllai i Helenit i cili ishte djali i Mbretit të Trojës Priam dhe pasardhës i Dardanit themeluesit legjendar të Trojës, atëherë cilit etnicitet i përkiste Kaoni?, kur në histori ne dimë se Dardanët përcaktoheshin nga autorët antik Grek e Romak si fis Ilir?

7. Vendlindja e Dardanit ishte nga Arkadia, të cilën Gjeografi Grek i antikitetit Straboni, e trajton si një zonë Pellazgjike, mbreti i parë sipas mitologjisë ishte Likaoni, djali i Pellazgut, lind pyetja: Çfarë ishin në të vërtet Pellazgët të cilën përmenden nga autorët e shumtë antik Grek e Romak si populli më i hershëm në rajonin e Greqisë së sotme?

Dhe për ta mbyllur, më poshtë po ju paraqes se ku ishte limiti i Greqisë së lashtë sipas Autorëve antik:

N/W limits of Ancient Greece, as indicated by Ancient Authors:

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War 2.80.1, Book 3 kap.26 par23
(23.) At Lissum begins the province of Macedonia , the nations of the Parthini , and behind them the Dassaretæ . The mountains of Candavia are seventy-eight miles from Dyrrhachium. On the coast lies Denda, a town with the rights of Roman citizens, the colony of Epidamnum , which, on account of its inauspicious name, was by the Romans called Dyrrhachium, the river Aöus , by’ some called Æas, and Apollonia , formerly a colony of the Corinthians, at a distance of four miles from the sea, in the vicinity of which the celebrated Nymphæum is inhabited by the barbarous Amantes and Buliones. Upon the coast too is the town of Oricum , founded by the Colchians. At this spot begins Epirus, with the Acroceraunian mountains, by which we have previously mentioned this Gulf of Europe as bounded. Oricum is distant from the Promontory of Salentinum in Italy eighty miles.

Strabo 5.2.4

As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly. Again, Ephorus says that he is of the opinion that, since they were originally Arcadians, they chose a military life, and that, in converting many peoples to the same mode of life, they imparted their name to all, and thus acquired great glory, not only among the Greeks, but also among all other people whithersoever they had chanced to come. For example, they prove to have been colonisers of Crete, as Homer says; at any rate, Odysseus says to Penelope: “But one tongue with others is mixed; there dwell Achaeans, there Cretans of the old stock, proud of heart, there Cydonians and Dorians too, of waving plumes, and goodly Pelasgians.” And Thessaly is called “the Pelasgian Argos” (I mean that part of it which lies between the outlets of the Peneius River and Thermopylae as far as the mountainous country of Pindus), on account of the fact that the Pelasgi extended their rule over these regions. Further, the Dodonaean Zeus is by the poet himself named “Pelasgian”: “O Lord Zeus, Dodonaean, Pelasgian.” And many have called also the tribes of Epirus “Pelasgian,” because in their opinion the Pelasgi extended their rule even as far as that. And, further, because many of the heroes were called “Pelasgi” by name, the people of later times have, from those heroes, applied the name to many of the tribes; for example, they have called the island of Lesbos “Pelasgia,” and Homer has called “Pelasgi” the people that were neighbours to those Cilicians who lived in the Troad: “And Hippothous led the tribes of spear-fighting Pelasgi, those Pelasgi who inhabited deep-soiled Larissa.” But Ephorus’ authority for the statement that this race originated in Arcadia was Hesiod; for Hesiod says: “And sons were born of god-like Lycaon, who, on a time, was begotten by Pelasgus.” Again, Aeschylus, in his Suppliants, or else his Danaan Women, says that the race of the Pelasgi originated in that Argos which is round about Mycenae. And the Peloponnesus too, according to Ephorus, was called “Pelasgia.” And Euripides too, in his Archelaus, says: “Danaus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming into Argos, took up his abode in the city of Inachus, and throughout Greece he laid down a law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be called Danaans.” And again, Anticleides says that they were the first to settle the regions round about Lemnos and Imbros, and indeed that some of these sailed away to Italy with Tyrrhenus the son of Atys. And the compilers of the histories of The Land of Atthis give accounts of the Pelasgi, believing that the Pelasgi were in fact at Athens too, although the Pelasgi were by the Attic people called “Pelargi,” the compilers add, because they were wanderers and, like birds, resorted to those places whither chance led them.

Strabo- Book 7.7.1

Now Hecataeus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus that before the time of the Greeks it was inhabited by barbarians. Yet one might say that in the ancient times the whole of Greece was a settlement of barbarians, if one reasons from the traditions themselves: Pelops {395} brought over peoples {396} from Phrygia to the Peloponnesus that received its name from him; and Danaüs {397} from Egypt; whereas the Dryopes, the Caucones, the Pelasgi, the Leleges, and other such peoples, apportioned among themselves the parts that are inside the isthmus–and also the parts outside, for Attica was once held by the Thracians who came with Eumolpus, {398} Daulis in Phocis by Tereus, {399} Cadmeia {400} by the Phoenicians who came with Cadmus, and Boeotia itself by the Aones and Temmices and Hyantes. According to Pindar, “there was a time when the Boeotian tribe was called “Syes.â€� {401} {402} Moreover, the barbarian origin of some is indicated by their names–Cecrops, Godrus, Aïclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. And even to the present day the Thracians, Illyrians, and Epeirotes live on the flanks of the Greeks (though this was still more the case formerly than now); indeed most of the country that at the present time is indisputably Greece is held by the barbarians–Macedonia and certain parts of Thessaly by the Thracians, and the parts above Acarnania and Aetolia by the Thesproti, the Cassopaei, the Amphilochi, the Molossi, and the Athamanes–Epeirotic tribes.

Strabo 007.007.008

The Amphilochians are Epeirotes; and so are the peoples who are situated above them and border on the Illyrian mountains, inhabiting a rugged country–I mean the Molossi, the Athamanes, the Aethices, the Tymphaei, the Orestae, and also the Paroraei and the Atintanes, some of them being nearer to the Macedonians and others to the Ionian Gulf. It is said that Orestes once took possession of Orestias–when is, exile on account of the murder of his mother–and left the country bearing his name; and that he also founded a city and called it Argos Oresticum. But the Illyrian tribes which are near the southern part of the mountainous country and those which are above the Ionian Gulf are intermingled with these peoples; for above Epidamnus and Apollonia as far as the Ceraunian Mountains dwell the Bylliones, the Taulantii, the Parthini, and the Brygi. Somewhere near by are also the silver mines of Damastium, {457} around which the Dyestae and the Encheleii (also called Sesarethii) together established their dominion; and near these people are also the Lyncestae, the territory Deuriopus, Pelagonian Tripolitis, the Eordi, Elimeia, and Eratyra. In earlier times these peoples were ruled separately, each by its own dynasty……But some go so far as to call the whole of the country Macedonia, as far as Corcyra, at the same time stating as their reason that in tonsure, language, short cloak, and other things of the kind, the usages of the inhabitants are similar.

Pausanias, Description of Greece 1.12. [5]

Pyrrhus was brought over to Sicily by an embassy of the Syracusans. The Carthaginians had crossed over and were destroying the Greek cities, and had sat down to invest Syracuse, the only one now remaining. When Pyrrhus heard this from the envoys he abandoned Tarentum and the Italiots on the coast, and crossing into Sicily forced the Carthaginians to raise the siege of Syracuse. In his self-conceit, although the Carthaginians, being Phoenicians of Tyre by ancient descent, were more experienced sea men than any other non-Greek people of that day, Pyrrhus was nevertheless encouraged to meet them in a naval battle, employing the Epeirots, the majority of whom, even after the capture of Troy, knew no thing of the sea nor even as yet how to use salt.

APPIAN, The Foreign Wars ( The Illyrian Wars) Ill. 1.1

The Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Ister (Danube). This is the length of the country. Its breadth is from Macedonia and the mountains of Thrace to Pannonia and the Adriatic and the foot-hills of the Alps. Its breadth is five days’ journey and its length thirty — so the Greek writers say. The Romans measured the country and found its length to be upward of 6000 stades and its width about 1200

Plutarch “the parallel lives p347� The life of Pyrrhus

Of the Thesprotians and Molossians after the great flood, the first king, according to some historians, was Phaethon, one of those who came into Epirus with Pelasgus. Others tell us that Deucalion and Pyrrha, having set up the worship of Jupiter at Dodona, settled there among the Molossians. In after time, Neoptolemus, Achilles’s son, planting a colony, possessed these parts himself, and left a succession of kings, who, after him, was named Pyrrhidae, as he in his youth was called Pyrrhus, and of his legitimate children, one was born of Lanassa, daughter of Cleodaeus, Hyllus’s son, had also that name. From him Achilles came to have divine honours in Epirus, under the name of Aspetus, in the language of the country. After these first kings, those of the following intervening times becoming barbarous, and insignificant both in their power and their lives, Tharrhypas is said to have been the first who, by introducing Greek manners and learning, and humane laws into his cities, left any fame of himself. Alcetas was the son of Tharrhypas, Arybas of Alcetas, and of Arybas and Troas his queen, Aeacides; he married Phthia, the daughter of Menon, the Thessalian, a man of note at the time of the Lamiac war, and of highest command in the confederate army next to Leosthenes. To Aeacides were born of Phthia, Deidamia and Troas, daughters, and Pyrrhus, a son.

C. Plini Secundi, Libri 3 kap.26 par23

At Lissum begins the province of Macedonia , the nations of the Parthini , and behind them the Dassaretæ . The mountains of Candavia are seventy-eight miles from Dyrrhachium. On the coast lies Denda, a town with the rights of Roman citizens, the colony of Epidamnum , which, on account of its inauspicious name, was by the Romans called Dyrrhachium, the river Aöus , by’ some called Æas, and Apollonia , formerly a colony of the Corinthians, at a distance of four miles from the sea, in the vicinity of which the celebrated Nymphæum is inhabited by the barbarous Amantes and Buliones. Upon the coast too is the town of Oricum , founded by the Colchians. At this spot begins Epirus, with the Acroceraunian mountains, by which we have previously mentioned this Gulf of Europe as bounded. Oricum is distant from the Promontory of Salentinum in Italy eighty miles.

1. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0247%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D80

2. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/5B*.html

3. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/7G*.html

4. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0198%3Abook%3D7%3Achapter%3D7%3Asection%3D8

5. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Paus.+1.12

6. https://www.livius.org/sources/content/appian/appian-the-illyrian-wars/appian-the-illyrian-wars-1/

7. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Pyrrhus*.html

8. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D26

Historia është një fushë me labirinthe, nëse hyn në të, atëherë duhet të dish edhe se si të dalësh prej saj, historia nuk bëhet me pasion, me gënjeshtra, mashtrime apo përfitime vetjake, jo, përkundrazi ajo duhet të tregohet me prova dhe fakte bindëse edhe pse njërës palë i pëlqen ndërsa tjetrës jo, nëse ju e mbani veten si historian dhe ju pëlqen ta bëni historinë sipas mënyrës që juve ju pëlqen, atëherë ju nuk mund të quheni një Historian, por një Pseudo-historian arrogant, injorant e mashtrues që pretendon se ke të drejt, por në fakt je komplet gabim, me ngritjen e zërit nuk trembni askënd, ne si komb nuk e kemi traditë të ngremë zërin kur japim fakte historike,  por ne preferojmë t'i japim faktet në mënyrë të qetë dhe aspak zemërore apo me tone të larta, kur ju bërtisni apo flisni me tone të ashpra, a mos mendoni se jeni 100% i saktë në ato që deklaroni dhe pretendoni?

"Askush nuk është më i urryer se ai që flet të vërtetën" - Platoni, filozof Grek.

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22/06/20

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